On 29 March 1944, she sustained moderate damage near the bow from one torpedo fired by the American submarine Tunny. Share with: Link: Copy link. On 8 July 1921, the United States' Secretary of State Charles Evans Hughes invited delegations from the other major maritime powers—France, Italy, Japan, and the United Kingdom—to come to Washington, D.C. and discuss a possible end to the naval arms race. The ship's keel was laid after Yamato's launch in August 1940 and construction continued until December 1941, when the Japanese began to question their ambitious capital ship building program—with the coming of war, the resources essential in constructing the ship would become much harder to obtain.

While both ships enjoyed certain advantages over each other, those advantages are so slender that luck would probably play as decisive role as firepower and armor. Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway, The 5 Biggest Battleship Battles of All Time. Based on the very spare data the H44 should take this, 1.5x the displacement should allow it to absorb more damage and 2 more 20'' guns should make quite a difference. [33] The next two years were spent intermittently between Truk and Kure naval bases, with her sister ship Musashi replacing Yamato as flagship of the Combined Fleet. However, despite the immense armour thickness, the protection scheme of the Yamato class still suffered from several major design flaws and shortcomings. [39], Shinano, originally Warship Number 110, was laid down as the third member of the Yamato class, albeit with a slightly modified design.

Strange, my source said it sank all four and having a bit of trouble finding another source at the moment to clarify. It's the battle of the big ships....the Super Yamato vs. Hitler's H-44 class. The 20mm merely signals the deck crew that the planes are so close they have to take cover. [66], Two battleships of an entirely new, and larger, design were planned as a part of the 1942 fleet replenishment program.

Shortly before midday, she capsized and sank, taking 1,435 of her 2,400-man crew with her. The tubes would burn for five seconds at about 3,000 °C (5,430 °F) and would start a flame that was around 5 metres (16 ft) long.

As a result, the hull of the fourth vessel, only about 30% complete, was taken apart and scrapped in 1942; materials from this were used in the conversions of Ise and Hyūga to hybrid battleship/aircraft carriers. 26 posts 1; 2; 3; Next; Super Yamato class vs. German H-44 class! However, the Japanese had superb optical rangefinders and night binoculars, which enabled them to surprise and decimate the U.S. Navy in night battles off Guadalcanal.

“Iowa’s fire control is better. See: Garzke and Dulin, p. 84. [54][71], The Yamato class was fitted with 12 Kampon boilers, which powered quadruple steam turbines,[2] with an indicated horsepower of 147,948 (110,325 kW). ↳   Life in the Third Reich & Weimar Republic, ↳   Kriegsmarine surface ships and Kriegsmarine in general, ↳   Luftwaffe air units and Luftwaffe in general, ↳   German Strategy & General German Military Discussion, ↳   NSDAP, other party organizations & Government, ↳   The Ron Klages Panzer & other vehicles Section, ↳   Panzer & other vehicles - Photo threads, ↳   Axis Documents, Feldpost numbers, Postcards & Other Paper Items, ↳   The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, ↳   The Allies and the Neutral States in general, ↳   German Colonies and Overseas Expeditions, ↳   The end of the Ottoman Empire 1908-1923, ↳   Translation help: Breaking the Sound Barrier, Yamato Battleship vs Montana Class BattleShip, http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/usnshtp/bb/bb67.htm, http://www.warships1.com/USbb67_Montana_history.htm, http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/67.htm, http://www.greatwhitefleet.org/montana/03/history.htm. It used the same technique of manufacture as the 46 cm gun did. Ballistics tests at the proving ground at Kamegakubi demonstrated the deck alloy to be superior to the homogeneous Vickers plates by 10–15%.

The design of the Yamato-class battleships was shaped by expansionist movements within the Japanese government, Japanese industrial power, and the need for a fleet powerful enough to intimidate likely adversaries.

[59] The propulsion system of Shinano was slightly improved, allowing the carrier to achieve a top speed of 28 knots (52 km/h). Although some additional photographs and information, from documents that were not destroyed, have come to light over the years, the loss of the majority of written records for the class has made extensive research into the Yamato class somewhat difficult. Shinano departed Yokosuka for Kure nine days later. [20] Their engines, which were similar to the ones that were going to be mounted in the new battleships, required a "major repair and maintenance effort"[22] to keep them running due to a "fundamental design defect". by philodraco » 25 Jan 2003, 08:27, Post [6] Most importantly, the latter, in the form of the Kantai Kessen (“Decisive Battle Doctrine”), a naval strategy adopted by the Imperial Japanese Navy prior to the Second World War, in which the Japanese navy would win a war by fighting and winning a single, decisive naval action.

[55] With a 55.87-kilogram (123.2 lb) AP shell, the guns had a maximum range of 27,400 metres (30,000 yd) at an elevation of 45 degrees. [14], Japan's intention to acquire resource-producing colonies in the Pacific and Southeast Asia would likely lead to confrontation with the United States,[15] thus the U.S. became Japan's primary potential enemy. by Galahad » 23 Jan 2003, 18:57, Post [6] A lower belt armour 200 millimetres (7.9 in) thick extending below the main belt was included in the ships as a response to gunnery experiments upon Tosa and the new Japanese Type 91 shell which could travel great lengths underwater.

(Recommended: The 5 Biggest Battleship Battles of All Time). I searched around yesterday for the Super Yamato specs and found little information beyond displacement and main armaments.

Do anybody know if Yamato or her sister ship engaded in any battles? [65] The torpedo defense system performed substantially worse than designed; in particular, very poor jointing between the upper-belt and lower-belt armour created a rupture-prone seam just below the waterline, which when combined with the relatively shallow system depth and the lack of liquid loading caused the class to be susceptible to torpedoes; the joint failure has been attributed to the considerable damage inflicted upon Yamato from a single torpedo impact in 1943, and to the sinking of Shinano from four hits in 1944. by Sieger » 21 Jan 2003, 06:17, Post Thanks to advances in US radar-directed fire control, which by the end of the war enabled the Americans to fire accurately from beyond the visual horizon, Yamato wouldn't have stood much of a chance. Militaries of the World and their Ships, Histories and Weapons.

Just thought you'd like to know; at the very least, it could play the Prinz Eugen to the leviathan's Bismarck. So, the combination of decent optics plus world-class radar is way better than world-class optics plus crappy radar.”. [21] Yamato was deliberately expended in a suicide mission as part of Operation Ten-Go, Available sources do not report when the double bottom was scrapped. The Battleship Yamato.

[80], From the time of their construction until the present day, Yamato and Musashi have carried a notable presence in Japanese culture, Yamato in particular. [21] She underwent training exercises until 27 May 1942, when the vessel was deemed "operable" by Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto. In addition, the 12.7 cm (5.0 in) secondary armament on the first two Yamatos was to have been replaced by the 10 cm (3.9 in)/65 caliber Type 98 gun. [46][47], Warship Number 111, never named, was planned as the fourth member of the Yamato class and the second ship to incorporate the improvements of Shinano. Who wins in a head to head confrontation with no air support beyond what the ships themselves carry...the Super-Yamato or the German H-44 battleship? Guest.

by wotan » 24 Jan 2003, 00:05, Post In the original design, the Yamato class' secondary armament comprised twelve 15.5 cm/60 Type 3 guns mounted in four triple turrets (one forward, two amidships, one aft),[52] and twelve 12.7 cm/40 Type 89 guns in six double-turrets (three on each side amidships).

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[62] This was the standard Japanese light AA gun during World War II; it suffered from severe design shortcomings that rendered it a largely ineffective weapon.

[19], After these had been reviewed, two of the original twenty-four were finalized as possibilities, A-140-F3 and A-140-F4. [82] The appearances in popular culture usually portray the ship's last mission as a brave, selfless, but futile, symbolic effort by the participating Japanese sailors to defend their homeland. It also agreed that the five countries would not construct more capital ships for ten years and would not replace any ship that survived the treaty until it was at least twenty years old.

by Musashi » 23 Jan 2003, 22:54, Post At this early time, their assumptions on the class's specifications were quite far off; while they were correct on their length, the class was given as having a beam of 110 feet (34 m)—in actuality, it was about 127 feet (39 m) and a displacement of 40,000–57,000 tons (actually, 69,000 tons). Designated as Design A-150 and initially named Warship Number 178 and Warship Number 179, plans for the ships began soon after the design of the Yamato class was finished, probably in 1938–39. [26][A 1] In all, five Yamato-class battleships were planned. The H class nearly equaled Yamato’s armor weight despite being almost 9000 tons lighter in displacement. [29] Similarly, both the New York Times and the Associated Press reported that the two ships displaced 45,000 tons with a speed of 30 knots,[30] and even after the sinking of Yamato in April 1945, The Times of London continued to give 45,000 tons as the ship's displacement. Iowa enjoyed a career through World War II, Korea and was even reactivated during the 1980s. Yamato Battleship vs Montana Class BattleShip. [52] In 1944, both Yamato and Musashi underwent significant anti-aircraft upgrades in preparation for operations in Leyte Gulf[59] using the space freed up by the removal of both midships 15.5 cm (6.1 in) secondary battery turrets,[60] and ended up with a complement of twenty-four 12.7 cm (5.0 in) guns,[60] and one hundred and sixty-two 25 mm (0.98 in) antiaircraft guns,[60] The 25 mm anti-aircraft guns could tilt at 90-degree angles to aim at planes directly overhead, but their mountings' lack of protection made their gunnery crews extremely vulnerable to direct enemy fire. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjerne’s Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day.

Most of the original armor values were slightly reduced, including the belt, deck, and turrets. On 22 August 1943, Erich Groner, a German naval historian, and author of the book Die Deutschen Kriegschiffe, 1815–1945, was shown the report while at the "Führer Headquarters", and was directed to make an "interpretation" and then prepare a "design sketch drawing" of the Japanese battleship. Post Oct 05, 2008 #1 2008-10-05T18:32. In 1944, the two amidship 15.5 cm turrets were removed to make room for three additional 127-millimetre mounts on each side, bringing the total number of these gun to twenty-four. Can't remember the source, but I read years ago that the Germans had vague plans to build a battleship with twelve 21" or even 23" guns in four triple turrets.

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